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Caution, if you pick the three engines choice for your boat, watch your propeller selection, lower unit life, and fuel mileage. Both choices are good choices for a $350,000 new Center Console boat. Say, one in the mid-30s in length.
Prop selection. In a three engine power set-up, the center engine uses a different spec prop than the two outside ones to properly match the engines to the boat. With two engines, the two propellers are the same spec and mount on the transom at a uniform height. This mounting height may, or not, be true for a triple engine boat.
With the different prop spec and other correcting mounting adjustments necessary for a three engine boat, the life of trouble-free use of the center engine seems to be in question. Often, the lower unit below the cavitation plate has a shorter life within the center engine, compared to the two outside engines. Make sure that the warranty of all your engine parts are covered by a factory guarantee plan with your three engine boat and that it clearly states that all three engines on your one boat are equally covered and any warrantee plan extension is also available with the same equal engine coverage -FOR ALL THREE ENGINES.
Seabuddy took two center consoles listed below, one with two engines, one with three. In all of these sets of rounded numbers the three engine boat is listed first. Length 35’ 6”, 33’ 6”; Beam 10’ 10”, 11’ 7”; 90 GPH fuel burn at 54 MPH, 68 GPH at 51 MPH; 33 MPH with 33GPH fuel burn, 31 MPH with a 25 GPH fuel burn.
Going to a boat show? Take more than a look and sit in, adjust, and observe just how good the helm station is in a 264 FS bow rider. Study the fit and high level of finish within the cockpit that it leads your eye and hand to experience major improvements that Monterey Boats is bringing to the marine marketplace. Look at the eyebrow over the dash and the gauges. It is as good as it gets for 2014!
Board the boat from the swim platform and see the sun pad that changes into a rear seat. Try the comfort of that seat and others. Definitely try the driver’s command chair and ALL of its features. Feel the shifter and eye the gauges their sight lines.
This is a 26’ 7” LOA bow rider runabout by Monterey Boats out of Florida that sets a fresh standard of luxury, effectiveness, and comfort for a day boat. Helm chair features, vinyl choices, storage, and comfort underfoot have all been addressed.
This boat has an 8’ 6” beam and is easy to trailer. She has a sweet running hull that takes an afternoon chop well and uses extra power easily. Special hull features are valuable items in terms of performance on the water. See the chine detail for yourself at a boat show. Power this one up. Check the gas tank capacity, also, as a for instance. Ask about these hull design and construction features and decide what power choices will do the job for you. The Monterey Boats 264 FS is a hit in the boating marketplace and a do not miss boat to see at a boat show.
Seabuddy thanks Monterey boats for these photos.
New boats are selling in smaller numbers than in the past. Sales forecasting requires a boat builder to account for their direct costs as always, but today one must divide company overhead over far less units. This new boat market demands a new pricing model, which makes for a state of the art boat, but with each unit shouldering a high percentage of the overall company’s basic cost of business per boat unit expected to be sold. Administration, advertising, and keeping-the-doors open expenses add more money onto each boat – than ever before.
When Seabuddy was the fifth largest Wellcraft boat dealer in the world, the new boat business was different. All of us in the marine industry were eyeing the coming shorter work week and more time for fun on the days off from work. So, we had long conversations on how boats should try beat out other recreational choices for the consumer fun dollar.
But the home builder’s got us. They built bigger/fancier houses and that made the shorter work week impractical. Heck, it even put Mom to work to afford those houses. Then there was always a series upon series of more issues that pounded boat pricing and made a new boat higher priced.
Some came from within the industry. The first outdrive boat engine was only 80 horsepower. Now what is an acceptable power level? Bow rider seating and a walk-thru windshield to access those cushy seats added costs. Boat builders added better quality.
Some price increase pressure came from government. California banned many bottom paints, requiring research dollars to invent new ones. The EPA wanted cleaner engines. Safer fuel tanks. Anti-siphon valves.
This boat is a 35’ 6” Center Console with a 10’ 10” beam that weights roughly 7 tons. She goes 0 to 30 MPH in around 11 seconds and its top speed is right at 55 MPH.
Well, the boat business is back to where it was in the 1920’s. Boats seem to be affordable to the rich only. Question. Do you agree?
Here is a modern boat that brings a real flat take-off and ride to a sport classic style wooden boat. Take a look here.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J08psf7PVI and see her flat take off and running angle. It is really something else if you are used to a deep vee bottom boat.
Why? Where is the magic that delvers that wonderful take-off? Bottom shape, chine width at the transom, a good weight balance point accomplished by engine weight location, and direct drive shaft angle; all combine for the accomplished goal.
She is a straight inboard with a double cockpit forward layout. That allows the engine to come forward within the hull. Plus she can have a straight drive, not a vee-drive. And she is family friendly design while underway.
This is a 23’ 4” hand-crafted boat with a 6’ 6” beam. She is a planked, cold molded original design. Clarion does not stretch or shorten boat designs to fit different model lengths like Fountain Power Boats. They computer cut their frames and hand fit their layers of planking.
Most boats use a 350 Chevy Mercruiser engine of 300 horsepower for a great push in the back take-off and a equally thrilling top speed at WOT. Other engines are available but few owners choose them.
A wood runabout with a cockpit trimmed in fine leather and with proper chrome hardware sparkles at pier side or on the open water. Nickel hardware is a special order item. The level of finish on all three materials is stunning.
Does this boat builder build and restore “over-the-top” boats? Yes. Their shop has been around for years. A wooden boat shop servers the boating market via it’s craftsmanship in 2013.
Buyers want quality in their wooden boats. A good ride is not enough. Few utilitarian wood boat builders are around anymore. Folks want a bright finished mahogany runabout or utility now. At sunset, a wooden boat owner wants a piece of art that one rubs a hand over and says, that is my boat and she is a beauty.
They also offer 1,350 horsepower and 1,100 horsepower I/O packages for this coming model year. These are all 9.0 litre engines with quad cams,port fuel injection, turbo-chargers, and computer controls via special systems that vary the turbo boost as well as run the DTS. It is almost a straight-up, square-torque curve engine with all the items as designed and under control. These are dry sump engines, BTW. WOT is 6,000-6,500 rpms. They all require Mercury Racing Pro Finish CNC sterndrive 5 or 6 blade props that are sold separately. Go to a Mercury Racing authorized dealer like http://tntcustommarine.com/ for more info.
The 1,350 and 1,100 horsepower engines use available marina gas dock for fuel, while the top 1,650 HP strictly requires 112 racing gas. Both of the milder 9.0 liter engines come with a one year warranty, but to somewhat limit the 1,650 Hp engine to racing use only, MerCruiser does not offer any warranty.
There are deals out there for all three of these engines, so do not be put-off by list prices. At the same time, these heads, blocks, and many other features are custom-to-Mercury Racing parts, so do not think they compete with your local engine builder. Think about a cool $250,000 for two engines and drives, as a starting point, but one should be talking speeds over 150 MPH and as high as 200 MPH.
All of these marine engines come with Mercury Racing’s M8 which is a 35% stronger, upgraded drive from the legendary world champion Six Drive. This is their top performance out drive. Mercury also offers the NXT, Bravo 1 XR, and then Mercury Marine offers, Bravo I, II, III drives for pleasure boaters.
Boat racing video (fast forward to about 6:35 into the 9 minute youtube) http://tntcustommarine.com/2012/12/highlights-of-team-gasse-racing-in-key-west/
Chris “seabuddy”Brown in a Donzi 14 at Lake Dora Tavares Mount Dora Antique and Classic Boat Show (he is in the black shirt) here….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFP494sXfx4
A 14 foot Donzi is a rare bird. They only made 14 boats and only in 1967. She is a Donzi Baby. Seabuddy ran pedal to the metal, trimmed out at just over 5,000 rpm across Lake Dora on Saturday in boat that is number 14 of that run.
Small, performance boats have a special place in my heart. Donzi Boats and Glaspar G-3 boats and Glastron GT 150 boats are right there for me as fun boats. Outboard, inboard, v-drive, stern drive, and jet, are the various ways to go for these boats. Higher horsepower outboards in a short shaft length are getting harder to find. Seabuddy has been told that only up to 25 Hp. outboards are out there for 2013.
Donzi Marine was started by Don Aronow in 1964. His first model was the Ski Sportster called the Sweet 16 model. These boats were powered by a Volvo 110 horsepower 4 cylinder engine with a Eaton Outdrive. They were 43-46 mph boats that turned on a dime and rode soft, because of their deep vee bottom shape. Later boat came with V-6 and V-8 engines. From their race success the Donzi Boats were called the “Damned Donzis”.
1965 brought the 28’ Broad Jumper, Donzi Diesel and other famous boats and names. Think Don Aronow, JakeTrotter, Jim Wynne, Walt Walters, Allan “Brownie” Brown, and Dick Cole. The boats were shown in clothing showrooms on 5th Avenue in Manhattan in New York. President LBJ had one. The company was sold to TeleFlex. The 18’ 2+ 3 came to market. 1966 brought the 28’ 008 race boat. Here came Astronauts Gus Grissom, Gordon Cooper, Fireman Red Adair, and Dick Genth in a Donzi race boat on the various race courses. The 14’ Donzi came in 1967. A rare boat then and it is a rare boat now. Photo not from the seabuddy fun.
Starflite III, the race boat, powered by a Starflite II, the OMC Evinrude outboard motor is shown setting a new World outboard Speed Record of 122.97 MPH is shown in this photo.
Starflite was the OMC Evinrude name for its 50 Horsepower V-4. In 1960 this engine was made lighter in weight and bigger in its displacement. Now as an 89.46 cubic inch V-4 engine, the next generation top-of-the-line OMC outboard was rated at 75 HP and named Starflite II.
Hu Entrop made a new race boat, Starflite III, a 14 foot long 3 point Hydroplane. At Lake Havasu, AZ in September 1960 he upped his OMC ( his prior Starflite Too had gone 114 MPH) and Mercury Marine records (his and Burt Ross’s record in another Ted Jones Hydroplane).
Note, it has been suggested that Ralph Evinrude personally contributed with some of his own money to help Entrop with his two Evinrude boats and this round of record setting. Once the next boat came along a racing budget was inbedded within the company.
While the OMC racing effort used a bigger displacement engine than Mercury Marine (89.46 for the Evinrude, 59.4 for the Mercury), they used a pump gas and outboard oil mix to power the engine. He also used stock spark plugs in the motor. Hu did use megaphone exhaust stacks and a almost custom-made racing lower unit. Naturally, the since the starter was removed to save weight, someone had to hand coil a rope around the flywheel and do a rapid pull of that rope to get the engine to turn over (start). The lower unit had no gear set, the engine started in forward gear.
New gas outboards are slowly leading the boating industry out of the recession. It is simple. They are the least clean power source for all boaters, from Center Consoles to runabouts. Thus, the cheapest power plants.
The EPA and CARB require very high clean air standards for gas and diesel I/O engines, as well as marine inboards. Without the very high clean air standards, outboards look like the cheap way to go with a new boat purchase.
Take an early look at the new Sea Ray outboard cabin cruiser sport yacht named 370 Venture here…
It is not a true 37 footer, however, look at this boat’s beam and then look at this beam from a Silverton Express cruiser 31’ which has a beam of 11’6”, or, the Cruisers Yachts 33′ with a beam of 11′ 10″, or, a Regal Marine 32′ at a 11′ 2″ beam. Note, the 2013 Sea Ray Venture beam 11’ 3”. Oops, Sea Ray’s game changer new boat is really a 32’ foot cruiser with a stretched out nose (bow) and stern. Sea Ray is not alone in lenghting their new models but not the rest of the boat. If you approuch a new model at a boat show and think of it as a 37′, one allows for a 37′ pricing. If you think of a new yacht as a 31′ or 32′, then 2013 pricing may seem high.
In any event, a marina charges by the highest LOA it can find on a given boat, so this is an important ongoing cost for a boat owner. One does not like to pay for the monthly charges for a 37′ boat slip, if the boat is a 31′ or 32′, in what it provides.
Any boater will want to think about slip fees as a life-of-the-boat-ownership-cost, before one buys the boat.
And another thing, with just two outboards on an over 30’ boat, one must keep the boat’s bottom perfectly clean. Most center consoles of this size use three or four outboards to adjust their performance for this issue. That gives an always powerful hole-shot or good acceleration from low speed to planning speeds with slightly dirty boat bottoms. Outboards simply do not make the torque like a stern drive, thus one needs more of them or a perfectly clean bottom.
300 Horsepower Mercury Verado outboards are 158 cubic inch displacement gas engines each. Engine displacement is a good indicator of get-up-and-go torque. This new Sea Ray Venture has two of these. If the new Sea Ray was powered by two Mercury Mercruiser I/O engines it would have two 350 cubic inch displacement gas engines (you can see that you need at least four Verados to match up with two small block Merc I/O engines). This throttle lag is an issue with bigger twin outboard powered / engined boats. Think of the weight of passengers, full fuel, some water, and a somewhat filled holding tank, too, when you test boat. If it were powered as many used inboard boats are, it would have two 454 cubic inch displacement (big block) gas engines. Take a ride with a dirty bottom boat example before you form your opinion on a new Sea Ray. You and I know it will be OK with a clean bottom. They are a good company and do lots of pre-production boat tests. The metal and paint finish of a Mercury outboard is the same as a Mercury Mercruiser I/O. So, if you do not like the idea of a I/O boat, an outboard one is not any better choice for you. Both should be kept on a lift when in salt water while not in use or in a dry stack storage building, but many dry stack marinas will not take a 37o model boat. Their equipment will not balance it properly moving it around on land.
See more comments on this new Sea Ray Venture at the Sea Ray board here.… http://clubsearay.com/showthread.php/53071-New-searay-370-Venture?highlight=venture
By the way, Sea Ray has been cutting back on USA boat building staffing and now only make certain 2012 models in Europe and, starting in the fall of 2012, will start to make some 2013 model Sea Ray boats in South America.
Donzi Marine power boats has made go-fast runabouts since its founding by Don Arronow. He was a building contractor that made some money and “retired” from the North East to south Florida at the early age of 32. Don, “The King of Thunderboat Row” got restless and started boat building and racing boats first built by others but quickly decided to build his own brand of high-performance boats and add to his boats allure by winning races all over the world.
In 1964 he made the 16’ that became the Sweet 16 footer. Arronow sold Donzi Marine power boats in May of 1965. He did stay involved with the company even after he no longer owned it. In 1966 Donzi brought to the marine marketplace their 18’ hull. Then in 1967, they brought out a 14’ with multiple deck designs. They even made a few examples of a 10’ Donzi dingy and a 24’ Donzi Spitfire model along the way to the late 1970s.
It was in 1978 that they made a 22 foot performance boat; first as a Criterion model name that offered three different decks. One was a long fore deck – single bench seat – full width windscreen model, another was a bow rider with a walk-thru to the bow seats, and the last with a no-walk-thru to a separate forward cockpit with a two person rumble seat inside it. These did not sell as well as the company thought they should, so they made a new model in 1981 using the existing hull with a far more traditional single larger cockpit. That boat was called the Classic 22’. It is this model that seabuddy is discussing in this post.
Get a boat with a 454, 496, or 502 engine. They only weight about 160 lbs. more than a small block package and have way more punch. Get an engine with the cam that makes less power at 3,000 rpms but more power over 4,000 rpms. These engines are rated to be propped in the 4,600 – 5,000 rpms and can benefit (in a fast boat like a Donzi 22 Classic) to run wide open even at even higher rpms. If yours is strong enough to turn a 27” propeller up to 5,200 – 5,250 rpms, you have a boat capable of being GPS verified as a 76 – 79 mph Hi-Po boat.
These photos are from Donzi. Note, Don Arronow also made Formula, U. S. A. Racing Team, Squadron XII, Magnum, Cigarette, and at least the mold for the original 41’ Apache offshore racer power boats. Don Arronow was shot dead on Northeast 188th street in Miami, FL when he was 59.
Here is a boat that gives you a reason to buy a new outboard center console boat. She can use 4 outboards, carry up to 40 rods, and boat (land) a fish easily.
This is a big fishing boat. The Sea Vee 390 Center Console fish boat is right sized for proper wave spanning (bridging the waves). She has a deep vee hull shape with a 22.5 degree deadrise at her transom and a sharp hull entry up front. This is not a stepped hull. She runs a traditional deep vee bottom shape for her good performance, even at low planning speeds. While a hull step may increase top speed numbers, this hull gives good speed with equally good cruising ability.
She is fast. Think 70 MPH type speeds with four outboards. 1,200 Horsepower in a seven ton performance boat with the right hull shape makes for a Go-Fast boat. Use a lesser number of outboard engines if you do not need such a Go-Fast. Boats have been powered with both twin and triple engines.
Rod storage in the console, leaning post seat back, the rocket launcher, and below deck inside the rod lockers allows for a fisherman to carry up to forty fishing rods. That is almost over-kill on rod storage for some. Others want their choice of equipment onboard every day they go fishing. This see Vee center console allows for that desire.
The really knock-your-socks-off fishing feature in this boat is its hull side door that rethinks how easy it can be to land a fish. No gaff is needed! This is a fishing feature that needs to be fully explored to see how it makes your fishing experience better. Use your helm and outboard power to get your catch onboard. The door opens alongside the boat’s hull to forward rather than down in the water to enable a fisherman to do this new trick.
The See Vee 390 center console is a 39’0” by 11’ boat that weighs approximately 7 tons with four outboards on her transom. She has standard tankage for 570 gallons of fuel. By the way, 22.5 degrees of dead rise at the transom of a 39’ boat is a good set-up for offshore high speed runs to the fishing grounds. Photos provided by Sea Vee.